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netmouse ([personal profile] netmouse) wrote2009-05-19 08:42 pm

On silence - links and quotes from two posts from March

It's been a long time since March 4, and I'm probably not giving enough context to these posts, but I got a comment from my last post that suggested someone had the impression fen of color don't want white people to say anything in the ongoing discussions, just to listen. What I have read does not consist of just one request or the other. It is both. I have heard: Listen when we speak, and join us in speaking - just speak with us, not over us. And especially, speak up in support of diversity and safe spaces and against harrassment of all kinds.

Here are quotes from two posts that helped form that impression in my mind.

Rosefox, The Only Neat Thing To Do, March 4, 2009
http://rosefox.livejournal.com/1463662.html

I'm calling on everyone involved in this industry, and everyone who
wants to be involved in this industry, to step up and say: "This is
poor behavior and we will not tolerate it. We will counteract it as
best we can by welcoming and listening to fans of color, by reading
and publishing and reviewing and recommending the works of authors of
color, by checking our own biases and trying to do better, by asking
our friends to call us on our own poor behavior and listening to them
when we do. We understand that racism, whether individual or
institutional, whether deliberate or unthinking, is harmful to
everyone, and we aim to put a stop to it in our community."

[…]

Speak up. Help make this an industry you want to work in, an industry
you're proud to work in. Do the right thing.


RaceFail '09: This hurts us all, March 4th, 2009
http://oyceter.livejournal.com/819945.html


SF book fandom, where are you?

Although a few authors and editors have come out against what WS and
KC have done, where is the rest of the fandom? Like Jane says earlier,
"Where are the con-comms, going apeshit to distance themselves from
these serial fails of race and culture? Where are the guests-of-honor,
specifically inviting underserved communities to visit at an upcoming
con? (Where are the "discount if this is your first con evar"
programs?) Why aren't the SF organizations like SFWA (okay, bad
example) having a cow and putting out official position statements on
outreach? Where are press-releases from the publishing houses,
explaining their diversity efforts (in their lists and in their
workplaces)?"

Why the resounding silence? Editors, authors, fans—all the people who
were not talking about RaceFail and what people in their field were
doing: where are they?

[…]

What SF book fandom is telling me—a woman, a person of color, and a
long-time fan of SF books and a con-goer—what you are telling me is
that you don't care. That these are, in fact, your community norms,
that you are all right with people who have more power in your
community (by virtue of profession, race, and gender) using that power
to harm other, less powerful, members of your community. That you are
fine with the erasure of women, of people of color, of those without
the same professional privileges you enjoy, and that you are willing
to stand by silently and let people be hurt. […]

Your silence speaks volumes.

supposed to be on hiatus, heh.

[identity profile] rose-lemberg.livejournal.com 2009-05-20 05:04 am (UTC)(link)
I care fiercely about this issue. Unfortunately I do not feel I can write due to the vehement, unforgiving discourse involved in both RaceFails - and from all sides.
I am a listen-and-do kind of person. So I carefully read and listen to PoC writers (and allies) and donate what I can to those causes (very little, alas). I will no longer spend money on books of those who expressed their racist positions. That means that yes, I am not going to buy the next Bujold book, even though she is one of my favorite SFF authors.I am still waiting for her to come back and say something wise. People can learn and change, white people and PoCs alike - but until and unless they do, I am voting with my wallet.
I have been thinking up stories with people of color in them since I read my first LeGuin book at age ten. Actually, even before that, but I doubt this is the place to wax poetic about diversity in Soviet SFF I read as a child. So yes, I will continue to write stories with diversity, and even if I never write another word of fiction I will continue reading about other cultures and studying their languages.
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Re: supposed to be on hiatus, heh.

[identity profile] netmouse.livejournal.com 2009-05-20 10:37 am (UTC)(link)
On the fiction-theory discussion thread (http://fiction-theory.livejournal.com/116708.html?thread=288996#t288996) Lois eventually said

I am horrified that so many very good readers' feelings are hurt, and deeply sorry for it, but since I haven't yet figured out how to open my mouth without doing yet more damage, I think it much better that I just shut up and listen for a good long time.

The Racefail Bingo card -- which is brilliant -- was just brought to my attention last night. I have far too many counters down on the squares already, and it's not a game I wish to win. I do not think I would enjoy the prize.

bests, Lois.


which is at least wise in that it admits she needs to think, listen, and learn. Also, kind of an apology, or at least that she's sorry.

While I appreciate the notion of not wanting to support people who appear to be hurting the cause, in the long run I think you will find Lois is not one of those people. One of my problems with black lists is that they encapsulate someone's reaction or impression at one time in one context, and then they remain around regardless of how people change or make efforts in other contexts.

Re: supposed to be on hiatus, heh.

[identity profile] tlatoani.livejournal.com 2009-05-24 05:13 pm (UTC)(link)
And one of my problems with this discourse is that even decent people wind up getting dogpiled for saying something somewhat dumb or ignorant that isn't intended to be malicious.

I support the cause; I don't support some of the specific ways in which it is being advocated, or some of its advocates. So, no, I'm not getting involved, even if you post a link to a fan of color asking us all to get involved in immolating Will Shetterly because he looked up her name. It isn't because I have anything to lose -- I don't work in this industry, and don't expect to -- it's because I don't choose to get involved in a contest about how correctly I can phrase my messages of support.