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netmouse ([personal profile] netmouse) wrote2008-07-09 11:30 am

Ask your senator to vote against HR 6304 (right now please. thanx)

To quote Novapsyche's post, there is still time to call your Senators regarding the capitulation on FISA (aka, the evisceration of the 4th Amendment).

The bill is H.R. 6304 and i have seen it described as a confirmation of the legal king model of government since it basically protects people (in this case, telecommunication companies) from being prosecuted for illegal activities because the president asked them to do them.

I would prefer to live in a country where presidential fiat does not make it ok for people to break the law, especially regarding the privacy of citizens, and in order for that to be true, we need to defeat this bill. please call your senator now.

[identity profile] grimfaire.livejournal.com 2008-07-09 07:56 pm (UTC)(link)
What you don't get is that I fully understand the system and therein lies the problem. The system is broke with no chance of repair.

You start with basic idea of a two party system which over time has evolved into a 1 party system... I'm sorry but other then monikers there is no realistic difference between dems and republicans... whomever throws more money at the official gets their vote. They talk differently but act the same.

Personally, I'd more for just truly educate everyone and then you wouldn't have this problem but since we get no choice with the current system, we have to think of another way. The best we can hope for with the system as it is, is to elect gridlock and have a completely inefectual government that is incapable of doing anything which means at the very least it can't do any harm.

I'd rather put my trust in Joe across the hall who has to live in the shit he shovels than people who spend most if not all of their adult lives isolated from everyone else in society. We've created our own nobility class in members of congress.
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[personal profile] cos 2008-07-09 07:59 pm (UTC)(link)
What you don't get is that I fully understand the system

The rest of your comment strongly suggests otherwise, and also suggests that you don't even see what system it is, let alone understand how it works. However, I'll drop it now, because a real answer would take way more time than I have.

[identity profile] grimfaire.livejournal.com 2008-07-09 08:26 pm (UTC)(link)
hahaha I love it... because someone doesn't agree with you and/or has a different method of looking at things... they obviously don't understand it.

Must be nice in your world.
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[personal profile] cos 2008-07-15 10:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I said I'd drop it, but you did bring up a tangent that I'm curious about, separately from the main point, so I'll ask: What made you conclude that the reason I thought your comment suggests you don't understand how the democratic system works, is simply that you disagree with me? I don't think I gave any indication of what it was about your comment led me to think it suggests that you don't understand, and you certainly said a lot more than just "I disagree", so why that rather strange conclusion on your part?