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netmouse ([personal profile] netmouse) wrote2008-04-23 11:50 am

The Open Source Boob Project and subsequent stoning

This morning I find myself asked in email both what my take on the OSBP is and (in a separate message) whether or not someone can quote a comment I made on it elsewhere. People are welcome to quote me, and in fact here I will quote myself.


To me this was really about gender-nonspecific personal connection and permission-granting (or not granting), not women caving to the male power or notions of body-rightness.

A lot of people are concluding it was a "You had to be there" kind of thing, but it's frustrating that people clearly don't understand.

Society has been telling us women all our lives that our breasts are not our own to make decisions about--that they are inherently only for certain approved purposes and we must otherwise cover them and protect them from detailed touch or inspection with things like bras and clothing and moats and lions and tigers, if necessary, because the only person who is allowed to see and touch them is YOUR MAN and you aren't allowed to assert a non-standard set of access permissions yourself.

This project stood that on its head. It was in fact a fine case of feminist rebellion, combined with general rebellion against socially defined rules and toward opt-in interpersonal intimacy and appreciation.


I am really sorry that at least one track of the widespread online discussion of this project was headlined with mean disdain and an association of it with the thousands of creepy, unsanctioned gropes and feels that many women have suffered over the years, especially at conventions. The way the people who started it have been attacked for the pure pleasure they found in opening themselves to this idea and in thinking that their thoughts and feelings about it could be shared with a larger group is nothing less than horrible. Clearly it isn't for everybody, but they never *said* it was for everybody. They also didn't claim it was without flaws, and obviously one issue with it is that people may have chosen to participate due to perceived peer pressure, and/or without understanding that the little buttons meant "I may say no" just as much as they meant "you may ask."

I also think the name of the project is not quite right, since "Open Source" traditionally means no barriers, anyone can play, and while anyone could join this project, it was about permissions and consensual contact, not about making your body a public resource or about taking away your right to control access. As I said above, it was rather the opposite.

And I think it was a good thing, and I admire my friends who started it, and I stand by them, and I am not ashamed that I was pleased to take part.

[identity profile] theferrett.livejournal.com 2008-04-23 04:59 pm (UTC)(link)
No, because that wouldn't have happened without me. It all comes back to that post.

[identity profile] pnkrokhockeymom.livejournal.com 2008-04-23 05:04 pm (UTC)(link)
I get the impulse to take the blame for the whole thing, but really...again...real and interesting fodder for social and feminist criticism (both PRO and CON, given that feminist theory is not and should not be a monolith)? Sure. Rape in the Congo? No. People are actually responsible for the nasty things they themselves say.

[identity profile] pnkrokhockeymom.livejournal.com 2008-04-23 05:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, I just friended you. Hope that's okay.

[identity profile] theferrett.livejournal.com 2008-04-23 06:01 pm (UTC)(link)
It is, except I'm arachnophobic. *g*

[identity profile] pnkrokhockeymom.livejournal.com 2008-04-23 06:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I'll try to remember to use a different icon.

[identity profile] aiela.livejournal.com 2008-04-23 08:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Spider haters unite!

can I get that on a pin? *duck*

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/jer_/ 2008-04-23 05:55 pm (UTC)(link)
That's faulty logic, by 10 decimal places. What little blame might be yours is a LITTLE blame. It doesn't ALL come back to that post. It all comes back to each poster, on their own. Some amount of it roots in your post.

[identity profile] theferrett.livejournal.com 2008-04-23 06:07 pm (UTC)(link)
No, because if I hadn't posted, it wouldn't have happened. That's a pretty clear line to trace.

[identity profile] davehogg.livejournal.com 2008-04-23 06:26 pm (UTC)(link)
If Randy never married Sheryl, she wouldn't have been at ConFusion, and there wouldn't have been any buttons.

If Conrad Hilton had turned his business over to Paris, there wouldn't have been a hotel for this to happen at.

Those are pretty clear, too. Doesn't make them right.

It's not like you were the only person that knew about this, and you revealed a state secret. It happened, and if there wasn't this debate about it now, there would have been at a con down the road.

You need to stop trying to throw yourself on a sword that isn't yours.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/jer_/ 2008-04-23 06:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow, those were better than mine (although I think I get points for working the bears vs sharks debate in there) :P

[identity profile] davehogg.livejournal.com 2008-04-23 06:44 pm (UTC)(link)
although I think I get points for working the bears vs sharks debate in there

The world would be a much better place if people put all this mental energy into dealing with bears vs. sharks.

Someone needs to help these poor shark supporters see the light.

[identity profile] aiela.livejournal.com 2008-04-23 08:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Even my flipping COWORKERS chose bear! Us sharks get NO LOVE.
ckd: (sharky tng)

[personal profile] ckd 2008-04-24 04:57 am (UTC)(link)
Shark!

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/jer_/ 2008-04-23 06:28 pm (UTC)(link)
If I hadn't been driving a car, I couldn't have been hit by a drunk driver.

If my pet bear hadn't been eating a fish, a shark couldn't have gotten him.

If I hadn't had a wallet, I couldn't have gotten robbed.

All faulty.