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netmouse ([personal profile] netmouse) wrote2007-03-27 03:15 pm

nastiness on the blogosphere

I've seen a few links to the reported death threats received by Kathy Sierra of the blog Creating Passionate Users, and how they kept her from speaking at a conference because she is staying at home behind locked doors, in tremendous fear for her life and person.

While I am sympathetic to Kathy I have concerns about the way this has been posted about on her blog, in that she names several people repeatedly and implies that they, by hosting a site that involved over-the-top nasty comments (by unidentified commenters), are by implication responsible for the threats made to her. A discussion over on [livejournal.com profile] supergee's journal brought up the following cogent commentary by [livejournal.com profile] machineplay:


I think there's a precedent here and the comments by "Joey" defending his comments saying that they were about a 'persona' and not a 'person' (he claims to have made the direct comment "The only thing Kathy Sierra has to offer me is a noose in her size.") are making me even more inclined to believe that this was some "nasty fun" that coincided really unfortunately with a handful of worrying threats.

Is her life in danger from the named people? No. Did they post or allow to be posted ugly pictures and statements about her? Looks like it. Are they responsible for creating an environment in which some crackpot already threatening her life feels justified? Yep.

I definitely feel it's more socially complex, and that's why her post conflating the actual danger to her with the 'meankids' stuff is not helpful. I don't think she's being malicious. I think she's unable to separate them in her head right now. She's really talking about two equally unacceptable events: anonymous death threats, and threatening, cruel public commentary. The unfortunate thing is that the bully gang's self-perpetuating ugliness creates an atmosphere that allows genuinely dangerous people to feel that they have social support for their distorted thinking.

(emphasis mine)

Thoughts? Social psychology suggests that even with no evidence to support it, people believe the other people in their community tend to believe as they do (though lately it *does* seem like the tendency for people to cry "The silent masses support me in this!" is going down - is that true or am I just not in those forums any more?). Is there any way for dangerous people not to believe they are supported or justified in their thinking? That we can influence, I mean?

[identity profile] rachelann1977.livejournal.com 2007-03-27 09:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm with tlatoani on this one. I despise mob mentality. Have you ever heard of Milgram's Experiment 18: A Peer Administers Shocks? It has been used to explain the spread of the Holocaust, among other things. While not a direct correlation, it does show that people will do much more horrifying things than they ever thought themselves capable of if they believe that someone "important" wants them to do it. Because most of the interaction here happens on the internet, the potential "victim" becomes faceless, just like the person receiving shocks on the other side of a wall in Milgram's experiment.

Make no mistake, while we may not be able to stop the true crazies out there, it is entirely possible for blogs to create more of them. It is possible for an otherwise sane individual to commit unspeakable acts under the influence of mob mentality.

The way to avoid this, however, is less clear. We can't just abolish all blogs that aren't monitored for violently hateful speech directed at a specific person. I can avoid them, but I can't force anyone else to do that. However, it would be reasonable for the police or other law enforcement to consider such speech suspect. The thing is, it's all anonymous, and I really don't want that to change, so we're kind of stuck.